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Q1: Why is Shackleton described as British even though he was born in Ireland?
A1: The entire island of Ireland was part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland when Shackleton was born. Shackleton and his Anglo-Irish family were therefore technically British citizens. Additionally, Shackleton is not known to have ever described himself as or considered himself to be ‘Irish’. Indeed, he was a committed British Unionist and opposed Irish Home Rule (self-government) as a member of the Liberal Unionist Party. In Shackleton’s era, Irish national identity was overwhelmingly exclusive to Roman Catholics. Protestants like Shackleton overwhelmingly identified as British and valued Ireland’s political and cultural relationship with Great Britain. This is due to the fact that Britishness and Protestantism were inextricably linked. Many Protestants feared Irish nationalism due to its links with republicanism and Catholicism. British is therefore a more accurate descriptor of Shackleton as it fits his cultural identity and political ideology.
Q2: Would Anglo-Irish be a better description of Shackleton’s nationality?
A2: The historical term ‘Anglo-Irish’ applies to a cultural and political class that once existed in Ireland. It does not refer to a distinct nationality or even an ethnicity. This class of people were mostly ethnically and culturally English. Most considered themselves to be British and opposed Irish nationalism.
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Major Sir Ernest Henry Shackleton CVO OBE FRGS FRSGS (15 February 1874 – 5 January 1922) was an Anglo-Irish Antarctic explorer who led three British ...
Shackleton's 150th birthday is 15 Febriary 2024, so I reviewed the article so see if it could be selected as today's featured article. In reviewing the article, I noticed several uncited passages and sources listed in "Further reading" that might be incorporated into the article. Is anyone willing to take a closer look at the article and possibly fix it up? Z1720 (talk) 01:45, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Cross posted from FAC talk: Shackleton and Robert Falcon Scott suffered from some disruptive edits some years ago. See this when Ruhrfisch protected Shackleton. Since Ruhrfisch and Finetooth aren't around to verify that the text is okay, it needs a deep dive to check that the disruption stopped and whether the text is okay. I had both on watch for a long time but decided to remove them because there was so much edit warring. Victoria (tk) 15:52, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Victoriaearle: Does this mean we need to post a notice, and maybe get the FAR process started? Of course, we can always pause if someone comes forward and wants to do the checks. Another option is to revert to a version before the disruption happened. Z1720 (talk) 16:05, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dunno, haven't been following here for years. I have a vague memory of a COI editor - someone maybe whose relative wrote something? - but my memory isn't that clear. But there was a fair amount of disruption. There have reversions to clean versions over the years. For all I know the problems stopped; all I'm saying the history probably needs a deep dive to see what's going on - if anything. Victoria (tk) 16:12, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, yes, those memories are coming back. In fact, it was worse ... I got some extremely strange emails, which I forwarded to Brian, and that we discussed-- I don't want to say more, as the content was quite private and personal. But with these memories jogged, yes, we may need to proceed to FAR and get more eyes on this in time for the 150th. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There was just a Ted Talk about how we celebrate the wrong leaders and specifically used how we celebrate Shackleton over Roald Amundsen. 38.140.156.194 (talk) 13:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]