User talk:Krishkrish

Incidentally, I suppose I should also formally welcome you: Welcome!

Hello, Krishkrish, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Holocaust denial and Holocaust hoax

If you catch this in the next few minutes, would you object to my replacing hoax with a redirect now that its contents are in denial? Kdau 06:21, 2004 Dec 19 (UTC)

Actually, now that even the subsequent minor edit has been merged, I'll go ahead and redirect. Kdau 06:27, 2004 Dec 19 (UTC)

what ever you feel is for the better. thank you krishkrish very cool i love it what you did with my edit. i need to clean it up greatly. i just hope i dont offend anyone with my additions.

No problem, and thank you for your contribution, though the detail edits were made by User:Paul August, not me. Offense isn't as much the issue on Wikipedia as neutral point of view. This is the project's policy number one, especially in an inherently controversial article like this one. The NPOV rule requires that all perspectives be presented, that judgments not be made, and that the language used be neutral. The latter point may be an issue with your contribution, with respect to such words as fraudulent or fear. (Incidentally, I personally completely agree that this revisionism is fraudulent fearmongering.) Another Wikipedia policy is "please do not bite the newcomers", but I'm afraid that in a controversial article that doesn't hold as often as it should. I'd strongly recommended editing your section to be more NPOV before U.S. EST morning, when many more people will be looking. You may want to consider merging your information into other sections of the article, which may well happen anyway eventually. Kdau 06:46, 2004 Dec 19 (UTC)

thank you sir, honestly my skills in this area are lacking. possibly edits by other users are definatly nessary. this late in the my day i cannot continue. i felt a lack of info and felt more info was nessary about the "hoax" was needed. personally i have jewish and also nazi relatives that are all long passed. one was even a latvian jew that joined the SS. he and my other jewish latvian relatives told conflicting stories about WW2. some even told of horrors at the hands of the americans and spoke well of the german soliders. most never knew what was going on at all. they had been told things like; american and russian bombings of your homes is why your being put into the bomb shelters and then they had been told your homes were destroyed, is why your going to the camps, for their safety. they had food ,warmth and water and bathing areas while under german care, they all were romanced by the german soldiers and given gifts (stockings,cholates,candies,perfumes,soaps, booze,food) what ever they wanted the men would give to them, constantly. a few received marrage offers that they took but never finalized. they said they felt they were being helped, but the liberators came and they were horribly abused by the americans and finally by the russians. the only semi anti-jewish things i heard were from the mouths of my jewish reliatives. only one practiced the jewish faith after coming to america the rest became christians. out of fear? many strange tales from my relatives i have heard about nazis and jews. i do not know what to believe anymore. i just know the nazis cause death and still cause it. i never knew my one grandfathers because of his forced service to germany, my father did not even tell me about my grandfather till i was an adult, i assume out of guilt. he did not even meet his father sadly.

Thank you for this perspective. I can't imagine the kind of confusion the survivors would have amongst themselves from such a traumatic time, let alone that of their descendants. It's disgusting that people are still trying to distort an already difficult and complex history. I went ahead and did some cleanup on the section, and marked it as having NPOV issues. I used that label, and made the comments I did on the article's talk page, only to avert preemptively any (unlikely) unpleasantry on the part of deniers. I seriously doubt anyone will have any issue with the actual facts, and I'm probably just being paranoid, but I'd hate to see someone end up in an edit war over their accurate first contribution. Kdau 07:43, 2004 Dec 19 (UTC)

- Thanks for the edits. It looks fine now from an NPOV standpoint, so I'm removing the qualifier. I feel I should reiterate that people are normally quite civil around here, and the editing process is usually constructive like this one: another community value is to be bold in updating pages. I primarily edit formatting, syntax, grammar, and style, so my instinct is to be overprotective. Kdau 16:12, 2004 Dec 19 (UTC)