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Article Deletion - Feedback Request

Hi Seraphimblade,

I am new and this is my first time writing a wikipedia article, and you have deleted my first article draft, which was about Georgia Rotary Student Program (GRSP). Rereading it now I can see how it may sound promotional as I am used to writing in a persuasive tone for my college essays and the tone used for wikipedia articles is completely different. I don't know if you can still see it since it has been deleted but from your point of view, how much should I rewrite or delete to make it wikipedia worth? What I am trying to ask is, if i rewrite it do you think i can submit it again or will it keep being deleted? I believe it is a notable program that has existed for decades and it derived from Rotary International, a notable organization. As such, I think it is worth informing about the existence of this program, just as many other Rotary programs that have their own wikipedia article. The problem too is that although it has been around for a long time, it has been overlooked and it has been hard to find secondary sources to write about it without relying on the official website for the most part. Can I still post an article with few secondary sources? What can be done in such cases? Like I said, I am new here and I wanted your opinion before I start rewriting this article piece.

I hope you can help me out! Thanks in advance for your time. Wikiproject2024 (talk) 05:32, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject2024, as you have been involved in writing promotional material, please first clarify if you have a financial interest in what you are writing about, including but not limited to being asked or expected to edit as a duty of employment or internship. If so, you will need to make the mandatory disclosures before we proceed. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 13:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have any financial interest in what I am writing. I had to write a wikipedia article as part of a college class and I could write about anything and noticed this program didn't have a wikipedia page. Wikiproject2024 (talk) 16:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying that. In answer to your question, articles should be primarily based upon reliable and independent sources, since those have no motivation to "talk up" their subject or the like. Generally, stuff a subject writes about itself will be promotional, and of course no one can blame them for that, but for that reason, self-published and non-independent sources should be used cautiously and sparingly, if at all. If there isn't much source material like that about a subject at all, the subject may not be notable, which generally indicates there shouldn't be an article about it, but "not much" isn't "not any". So, you could certainly give it another go, making sure this time to stay neutral (and leave out the link farms—if an article's subject has an official website, one link to that site may be placed at the bottom of the article in an "External links" section, but article text should otherwise not have external links.) If no independent sources thought something the organization did was significant enough to write about, it's probably not significant enough to merit mention in the article either. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 17:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ko may ko loe

Nga loe ma tha admin. min may loe? 223.206.45.210 (talk) 09:52, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That makes no sense. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 10:31, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dropstitch_Inflatable_Fabric Deletion Request

Hello, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dropstitch_Inflatable_Fabric was recently deleted by you. Can I understand more? It says it was promotional? I didnt promote any company or mention a company ( except historical patent for Goodyear company)

I have no financial interest in this. Its a fascinating material that I have worked with before. I want to create the page and start researching and adding technical patents and others about its history and creation. Bellspringsteen212 (talk) 16:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bellspringsteen212, well, thanks for clarifying up front regarding the financial bit, saves me having to ask. So far as the rest, I think the main issue here was a poor selection of sources. The entire article talks the stuff up, with material like he history of the fabric most likely started with velvet processes. ("most likely" according to what reliable and independent source?), interest and usage of the material increased (that's "sourced" to a YouTube channel belonging to a company that sells it, so of course they're going to say people are interested in it; do any independent sources confirm that?), Inflatable Stand Up Paddle Boards (shouldn't be capitalized; don't ask me why, but in my experience miscapitalization like that is really common in promotional material) And more examples (any variant of "and more" is meaningless marketese that doesn't provide any actual information), every point under the "uses" part links to a "reference" that's actually someone selling it (which is reference spamming), and there is not one single reliable and independent source used in the article (the patent is primary; all the others are sales sites). So, what you would need to do is first look to find source material which is both reliable and, critically, independent. Anyone selling it isn't independent. If there is not a substantial quantity of reliable and independent source material available about this subject, then it is not notable and it would not be appropriate to have an article about it. If you can find a good quantity of such material, stick to facts that the actual independent sources verify, since they don't have any incentive to talk it up, and present them in a neutral tone. Maybe you think it's neat stuff, but by reading the article, I shouldn't be able to tell what you think about it at all. I should just find out what reliable and independent sources have had to say. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 17:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good feedback. Thanks. Will work more on it. Bellspringsteen212 (talk) 19:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Deleted page - InMerge Innovation Summit

Dear, Seraphimblade. First of all, I want to mention that I do not and will not receive any compensation for my article. Secondly, I reviewed very carefully my article again and didn't find anything related to spam or advertising. InMerge is an important innovation event for the region and Azerbaijan. It is the first such huge initiative in the Azerbaijan, and it is organized annually since 2022. As I mentioned in the article, lots of notable business people, investors, like Steve Wozniak, J. B. Straubel participate in the event. It is not just the product of one organization or company.

I do not breach neutrality rule. In the article, I just described events which were happened during the summits. I also cited numerous references as sources.

I have been editing in the Azerbaijani Wikipedia for years. I do not usually create articles in English Wikipedia, but I am always ready to get feedbacks. Please help me improve the article so that it can be generated again. Əhməd Qurbanov (talk) 11:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Əhməd Qurbanov, I do not know what the Azerbaijani Wikipedia's policies are, but the English Wikipedia does not permit promotional material, and that includes any kind of "talking up". As some examples, but by no means an exhaustive list: The summit aims to... (we don't care what it "aims" to, we care what reliable and independent sources confirm it has done), with participation from influential businessmen ("influential" is puffery, don't editorialize that they are "influential"), It fosters dynamic discussions on cutting-edge innovations and offers valuable insights (same here, "dynamic", "cutting-edge", "valuable", etc., are all the same kind of puffery and editorializing), and the rest is essentially "About Us" kind of junk. Articles should present what reliable and independent sources verify in a strictly neutral way, without any kind of "talking up". Since you kept inappropriately recreating the article in mainspace, I protected the title against recreation, but you can see if you can fix the draft to stick to reliable and independent sources and write it neutrally, and then request review by articles for creation. If AfC accepts the draft, I will unprotect the title. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 12:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear, Seraphimblade. I edited very carefully, and removed all the points which can breach rules. Please, if you can review within the Articles for creation, assist me. Əhməd Qurbanov (talk) 17:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have submitted the draft for AfC review. You will need to wait for that to be reviewed in the normal course. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 17:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you give any feedbacks? Əhməd Qurbanov (talk) 17:59, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reviewer will do that. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 18:05, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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