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Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move Mike Cline (talk) 21:14, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]



Golden age of Jewish culture in SpainGolden age of Jewish culture in Al-AndalusRelisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:41, 19 December 2011 (UTC) per main article title (Al-Andalus). This article does not deal with Spain but with the Muslim rule in the Iberian peninsula unambiguously known as Al-Andalus, which included parts of Portugal. We already have an article that deal with Spain proper History of the Jews in Spain. Tachfin (talk) 10:10, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I hear that argument but the issue of Spain not existing doesn't hold up. "Africa" and also "America" didnt exist for much of its history, (they went by other names) doesnt mean we dont identify with the popular name. My primary issue is popularity, how many people know Iberian. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 02:20, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Africa and America are geographic locations. Proposal isn't Iberia. --Tachfin (talk) 07:39, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Visigoths

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In the first sentence of 'The Birth of the Golden Age' section, it claims that "the Christian Visigoths of Hispania persecuted the Jews severely." This isn't true; the rule of the Visigoths was tolerant. They were Arians (unitarians) and were persecuted by the church for heresy (the Mediaeval Inquisition and Roman Inquisition). When the Arians were wiped out, the Visigoths who had adopted Catholicism were no longer the rulers. Where did this come from? Pydgical (talk) 16:07, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well there seems to be quite a bit of literature on Visigothic persecutions [6]. Arians were not unitarians, but in any case the Visigoths had become Catholic by the time of the Muslim invasions. I've no idea whether they were more or less tolerant when the were Arian, but it's not really relevant to the point being made. Paul B (talk) 20:17, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Just want to nitpick that Arians are unitarians Stryker Genesis (talk) 21:27, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

formatting

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The formatting on this page is messy and overlapping and needs fixing ASAP. --74.89.110.34 (talk) 04:58, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The nature of the Golden Age

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"Having invaded the areas throughout Southern and Northern Spain, and coming to rule in a matter of seven years, Islamic rulers were confronted with many questions relating to the implementation of Islamic Rule on a non-Islamic society."

That sentence does not make any sense at all. All conquests since 622 involved subjugating non-Islamic societies to the Islamic Rule. Did they suddenly wake up in 711 questioning what they've been doing for the past 89 years? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ant9n (talkcontribs) 19:44, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 23 May 2018

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to moe the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 20:02, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Golden age of Jewish culture in SpainGolden age of Jewish culture in Iberia – This article needs to be moved due to the fact that, as has been discussed numerous times over the past years, the word "Spain" in the title is inaccurate. Spain is a state that did not exist at the time with which the article is concerned, and it does not cover important Jewish cultural activity in what are now Portugal and Gibraltar. In addition, Spain is not simply English for Hispania, which was a Roman description and has nothing to do with the period with which the article is concerned.

At the top of this article there are links to main pages that make the distinction between Jewish history in Spain and Portugal.

"Al-Andalus" would be preferable to "Spain," but areas that were not under direct Muslim control for the entirety of the time, such as Aragon and Catalonia, are within the scope of this article.

Therefore, the best solution is "Iberia," which is a strictly geographical description. Sambasoccer27 (talk) 10:17, 23 May 2018 (UTC) Sambasoccer27 (talk) 10:17, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Golden Age of Jewish culture in Spain is the common usage, and we should go by that rather than what we think the title should be. In Google Scholar there are 52 hits for "Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain" and none for "Golden age of Jewish culture in Iberia". In addition, the article does seem to be wholly about Jews in Spain, not Portugal, where the golden age lasted much longer. Abraham Zacuto, for example, is not mentioned, but he is in History of the Jews in Portugal. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:07, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 9 November 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 11:05, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Golden age of Jewish culture in SpainGolden age of Jews in Spain – Prior RMs here took an issue with the 'Spain' part, but the consensus was to leave it be (fine by me). I want to raise another issue: per WP:PRECISION we don't need to use the longer phrase 'Jewish culture'. This was the Golden Age of Jews in Spain. Simpler and shorter. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:47, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]


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Spain or Iberia

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An editor changed "Spain" in the lead to "the Iberian Peninsula". I reverted as the text should not contradict the article title. Another editor reverted back on the ground that "The nation-state of Spain is anachronistic in this article. "Spain" is just used in the title of the article according to WP:UCRN". WP:UCRN says "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)" It does not say that the name in the lead and the title can be different, which is confusing for readers. This question has been raised several times in the past (see above) and the decision has always been to keep the current title. A key point is that Iberian Peninsula is just as inaccurate as Spain as the Jewish culture in the Moslem states never extended to northern Iberia. The text must agree with the article title and there is no consensus to change the title. Dudley Miles (talk) 23:46, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]