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Abortion in Puebla

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https://elpais.com/mexico/2024-07-16/puebla-se-une-a-los-estados-que-han-despenalizado-el-aborto-en-mexico.html

The state of Puebla in Mexico legalized abortion up to 12 weeks of gestation. Mar9112 (talk) 14:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mar9112: Thanks for the news. The law still needs to be officially published to enter into force, which is expected in August.[1] The article and map should be updated after that. Heitordp (talk) 15:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So what do we do about Jalisco? Should it be on the map? — kwami (talk) 08:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kwamikagami: Jalisco is already shown on the map in purple (allowing abortion, with unclear gestational limit), because the court invalidated the respective section of its penal code and ordered the legislature to change it. Heitordp (talk) 14:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not on the map for Mexico. Didn't know if it should count if the leg hasn't done anything yet; maybe it should if we follow how we treated SSM. — kwami (talk) 18:54, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The law was published on 15 August 2024 and entered into force on 16 August 2024.[2] I updated the article and map. Heitordp (talk) 07:45, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Curious

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Shouldn't Ethiopia be green? The law explicitly allows it in the case of "extreme poverty" in the same way that they allow it in the cases of rape, incest, and fetal defects. Scorpions1325 (talk) 14:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Scorpions1325: The law reduces the penalty, but doesn't eliminate it, in case of extreme poverty, so it can't be considered to allow abortion in this case. It's in a different article and not in the same way as the cases where the law allows abortion without penalty.[3] I clarified the note in the table.
The law also allows abortion if the woman is under age 18 or has a disability, but I think that these conditions are too limited, and more related to health than social or economic, to justify showing Ethiopia in green on the map. The Faroe Islands have similar conditions and are also shown in yellow. The countries in green allow abortion in much broader circumstances that are almost considered as on request, such as India and the UK. Heitordp (talk) 16:13, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Heitordp, thank you for the clarification. I am fairly certain that Maryland has changed their laws within the past year though. The article has been updated, and both the Guttmacher Institute, and the Kaiser Family Foundation have changed their interpretation to say that there are no gestational limits. Are they accurate? Scorpions1325 (talk) 22:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Scorpions1325, The abortion law of Maryland says that "the state may not interfere" with abortion in certain circumstances: before viability, or at any time in case of risk to life or health or fetal abnormality.[4] This law on its own doesn't explicitly prohibit any abortion, but a separate law criminalizes the killing of a fetus outside the circumstances listed in the abortion law.[5] When the abortion law was made in 1991,[6] and until earlier this year, sources interpreted it as prohibiting abortion outside the circumstances listed,[7][8][9] but now some of the same sources say that the law doesn't prohibit anything.[10][11] I don't know what led them to change their interpretation. The abortion law was changed in 2022 only to allow more types of medical professionals to perform abortions,[12] but the rest of the law remains unchanged. The new interpretation doesn't seem to be the intent of the law, because otherwise the list of circumstances would be pointless. At least some sources still maintain the earlier interpretation.[13][14] Heitordp (talk) 06:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Scorpions1325 (talk) 09:43, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

North Dakota update

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A judge in North Dakota has recently struck down the abortion ban there, according to a couple of news articles I’ve just seen. 2600:100A:B1CF:5A9E:19C5:21AD:EC20:B689 (talk) 18:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done: Thanks for bringing this up. I have found a source for this, but in the future, please provide a reliable source for any changes you propose. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧(talk | contribs) 19:48, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Germany

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Germany is still governed by article 218 making abortion illegal except for the life of the mother. However in the first three months you can not be prosecuted for violating the law. Germany should be changed on the map to reflect this. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7613423/ 3Kingdoms (talk) 19:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3Kingdoms, Article 218a of the German criminal code says that "the elements of the offence under section 218 are not deemed fulfilled" if the woman requests the abortion, obtains counseling, and the abortion is done by a physician in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy.[15] The law was written this way, instead of explicitly saying that abortion is allowed in these conditions, to satisfy a constitutional interpretation. German sources usually describe it as "unlawful but unpunishable", but this distinction is pointless. The UN source used as a basis for the table in this article, cited above the table, as well as many other sources, simply list Germany as allowing abortion on request in the first 12 weeks.[16] Some other countries also write their laws similarly, prohibiting abortion in general and only removing the penalty in certain cases, and they are also considered to allow abortion in these cases. So based on these sources, and for consistency, Germany should remain dark blue on the map. In the table in the article, the last 3 columns for Germany are in light green, meaning permitted with complex legality, with a note explaining the details. Heitordp (talk) 04:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]